Fr Mdl 1907/15/16 rifle
It is interesting that I cannot find a referance in this discussion group to a Mdl 1907/15 updated to a 5 round magazine that I would call a Mdl-1907/15/16. I have one in my collection that is...
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dg13,After the Great War the French military had so many unusable weapons in its inventory due to battle damage, neglect, wear, etc. that in the 1920's particularly in the 1927 Transforme Program they...
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Hi Label1886 This rifle does not have the "N" on the receiver. So it is not a 1927 change.
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dg13,In 1932, not 1927, is when Balle N was adopted. Balle N is almost a direct copy of German made 8mm Lebel ammunition that was made during WW1 for captured machineguns. The German bullet had a lead...
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Thanks for the information Patrick. One further question. How do we know that this change to 5 rds capacity did not take place during WWI? It was not in the Fr inventory during 1932 (no"N"). I would...
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dg13,It could well have been modified by French Ordnance during La Grand Guerre to the 5-round conversion as some were done during this time but to prove that this was done during the war would be...
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Howdy PatrickBack to this topic again. I believe you missed my point that this is an 'all matching' rifle--including the 5 round magazine. In 1927, I don't think they worried about matching numbers on...
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dg13,When they rebuilt the rifles in the 1927 Transforme program they tried to retain as much as possible of the original weapon as possible, so yes matching numbers is common on the 1927 rebuilds, I...
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DG13, what type of sights are fitted on your rifle, how is the front sight? with a thin blade at the top or a wide block with a notch in it?If it is the latter, it would show that it was still in the...
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I think that the HUNS loaded a lot of non-german ammo in ww 1. The French copied the German Copy.....I have one of these guns, Delauney-Belleville Mle 07/15/16 Polish issue, never rebuilt except by...
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Ok, we are back at this again guys .... If any Mle.1907/15 were modified to the 5 shot system they automatically were called Mle.M.16's when issued, French Ordnance did not care what the markings on...
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1886Lebel, I agree too bad guns don't talk, but physic does, the "N" bullet has the same shape as the "D" bullet but for max dia location, length is same.How can a bullet made with lead have the same...
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I agree that Balles D and N are not of the same weight. Balle D weighs 197.5 grs. and Balle N of 232 grs. Yes, the bullet is not of the same diameter, Balle D, .323, Balle N, .327. Yes, they do not...
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Patrick: This is really why I love this stuff, French guns are much better than the alternatetives, and since we have all acquired "Gaullic Logic" here, it makes perfect sense...Pat I have seen even...
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